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Armchair Arcade Announcement: March 2008 is the Month of CDTV/CD32!

It's the month of CDTV/CD32!It's the month of CDTV/CD32!Do you know what month it is? Do you have any idea what good times await you this month on Armchair Arcade? It's the Month of CDTV/CD32, of course! Brace yourself!

That's right--this month at Armchair Arcade, your friendly editors will be focusing our attention on Commodore's intriguing duo of CD-ROM based platforms. We'll be bringing you historical information, hands-on looks at emulation and gaming, videos, editorials, collector information...Good God, it's practically like owning one of these units yourself! Please share with us all of your stories and thoughts about the CDTV and the CD32. Do not hold anything back. This is The Month of the CDTV/CD32.

Wikipedia wrote:
The Amiga CD32 was the first 32-bit CD-ROM based video game console released in western Europe and North America. It was first announced at the Science Museum in London, United Kingdom on 16 July 1993, and was released in September of the same year. The CD32 is based on Commodore's Advanced Graphics Architecture chipset, and is of similar specification to the Amiga 1200 computer.

In case you haven't guessed it, each month we'll be covering a new platform, so if you have any ideas for future months please let us know.

From Bill Loguidice:
I'd just like to point out for those who are totally new to the platforms, what to make of the Commodore CDTV and Commodore CD32.

The Commodore CDTV was released in 1991 and was a large and expensive set-top-box (it looked much like an oversized component CD player or large modern DVD/Blu Ray player), when such things were still a novelty. Other such contemporary boxes included the failed Memorex VIS (essentially a 386 PC running a proprietary version of Windows; as an owner I can tell you it's painfully slow), distributed in Radio Shack stores, and Philips CD-i, which was fairly long-lived, but not necessarily considered a success. The idea was to combine the prowess of a game console with the amazing versatility of a multimedia PC, the latter meaning the then-fresh concept of interactive encyclopedias and other similar reference works. The nifty thing with the CDTV though was that it was essentially a set-top-box version of the popular Amiga 500 computer. You simply add the mouse, keyboard and disk drive, and you have an Amiga 500 running AmigaOS 1.3, with the added bonus of the CD-ROM drive (which was a clunky add-on for the Amiga 500).

A good selection of software was released for the CDTV, though, as was par for the course with early CD-ROM technology, many were just disk conversions with CD soundtracks or animated cut scenes. Of course many reference works were released.

Due to both system cost and roughness of early set-top-box concepts, the unit was not a success. Further, being limited to Amiga OCS/ECS (generally 32 to 64 colors), rather than Amiga AGA architecture (generally 256+ colors), may have also played a factor. Regardless, none of the set top boxes of the time made it, so Commodore was certainly not alone.

Enter the CD32, which came out in 1993. This was less of a set top box - though it still served that function - and more of a game machine, eschewing the CDTV's remote control for a gamepad. It also wasn't quite as fancy, featuring a simple flip top CD reader versus the CDTV's caddy-based system. Much like the CDTV was a converted Amiga 500, the CD32 was a converted Amiga 1200. However, unlike the CDTV, it took a bit more to turn it back into a computer than just adding a keyboard, mouse and disk drive, instead requiring a separate add-on prior to the addition of the extra accessories. Needless to say, the add-ons are quite valuable on eBay these days and show up infrequently. There was also an MPEG add-on for the CD-32, which allowed it to play Video CD's (CD-i format) and supported better motion video for cut scenes in the few games that supported it. This type of add-on also appeared on systems like the Philips CD-i (later units had it built in) and the 3DO, back when Video CD's were hoped to take the role that DVD's did several years later (Video CD's are roughly VHS quality, but don't degrade over time like tapes do).

As with the CDTV and Amiga 500/2000 games, many Amiga 1200 disk games were simply converted to a CD, often with little or no concessions for extra features besides the occasional enhanced sound or cut scenes. The CD32 did better in Europe than it did in North America, but it really didn't stand a chance as the Commodore as we knew it ceased to be in 1994, ending any of the platform's potential (and frankly, it wouldn't have stood a chance anyway against the coming Sony PlayStation juggernaut).

Today, working CDTV units can be had for between $100 - $150, and working CD32 units can be had for between $60 - $100. Just like the Amiga 1200 (and its AGA-based architecture) can play many Amiga 500/2000 (OCS/ECS) software, the CD32 can play many CDTV titles without issue. When I'll be going over the real hardware for my part in this month's feature platform, since I only own the CD32 at the present time, I will be focusing on that unit, but I do have some software that was intended for the CDTV.

With all that said, I'll reiterate what Matt said above, in that we're very excited by "theme months" at Armchair Arcade and look forward to everyone taking an active role. Enjoy!

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MaximumRD's picture

Wish I could argue the point

Wish I could argue the point but that would be impossible, yes the controller was
pretty damn bad, I pretty decent 3rd party one appeared in the form of the
Competition Pro CD32 joypad which was much better, to bad Commodore didn't
commission the makers of it to design the original for them!

CD32ProPAdCD32ProPAd

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That controller is just

That controller is just awful.

MaximumRD's picture

I vote start in MAY LOL! I

I vote start in MAY LOL! I was just thinking last night "Oh no the Commodore theme is over tomorrow!"
DAMN my busy life, you cannot believe how it torchers me so to have the hardware software/passion
and ability to really contribute BUT NO DAMN TIME!!!! AAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!

Whew......sorry, just my rant, big thanks to all of you who can and do contribute great content.......

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Bill Loguidice's picture

March is not quite over in April...

Before this week is out, I hope to finish off the month of CDTV/CD32 with three more reviews in one - two of the CDTV titles I have and one more CD32. After that, we'll decide whether we want to start the Coleco Adam in April or just wait until May...



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MaximumRD's picture

1. Did you consider buying a

1. Did you consider buying a CDTV or CD32; why or why not?

CDTV a bit before my time as far as age and financial limits though I was impressed and would have jumped on a complete
setup were it possible.

CD32: I DESPERATELY wanted a CD32! Again more poor financial status made that impossible BUT worse than that and what I still
have anger about to this day: When the CD32 was obviously a failure especially in Canada I spotted one, on the top floor of SAM THE
RECORD MAN on Yonge St. downtown TORONTO the top floor for a time was the videogame/console section, there was ONE brand
new un-opened unit, though I new it was failing and would not be making a comeback I STILL wanted one, the thing was even though
the box was collecting dust and it was obvious it would continue to go unsold the manager was just unwilling to cut me a deal. I forget
the exact price but basicly it still had the full introduction list price plus a small amount on top plus taxes well I just remembered it was
crazy to expect it to go for that price, no clearance/sale or reduction, I even still was willing to pay the crazy price if I could pay in installments or make some kind of agreeable arrangement, he would not budge the bastard so it continued to sit on the shelf and
collect more dust, a year later the whole section closed down and that was that.....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...............

2. What CDTV or CD32 games would like to see reviewed (or video reviewed!!) here at AA? Or, better yet, why not review it yourself and post it for all of us to enjoy!!

Today though I have the means, knowledge and tech I've just no TIME to take on the reviews or post myself sorry, as for what I
would like to see well anything besides the typical better known titles, I would like to see lesser known or personal favorites
reviewed.
3. Was the CDTV and/or CD32 a brilliant concept or a really stupid mistake on Commodore's part?

I thought the CDTV was smart and well designed but just ahead of it's time in the marketplace, it would of been
nice if the follow up CD32 retained the style closer to the CDTV but with the upgraded ROMS/OS and chipset.

4. Why didn't these units succeed better than they did?

The age old well known reasons, Commodore not marketing, not knowing what they had and remaining stagnate thinking
they couldn't be surppassed!

5. What are the advantages or disadvantages of buying one of these platforms vs. a standard 500 or 1200?

Well a CDTV was basically a A500 but with CD-rom and more multimedia like approach so if you were happy with the A500 it was
an improvement, of course a CD32 was an A1200 without a keyboard or mouse but could be expandable into a full comparable
system, I think I would of been very happy in the day with a tricked out CD32 with upgraded CPU/ram etc, I was very happy
with the Amiga platform for many years eventually ending up with several A500's, a couple A1200's those are gone now but
I STILL have a working CD32 with an Amiga mouse, just need a way to display PAL and I would still like to eventually get an exspansion box like the SX32, failing all that I guess it's the emulation route for me to eventually (sigh).

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What to write...

> Get off your butt and type something!!
>
> 1. Did you consider buying a CDTV or CD32; why or why not?

Nope.
Because I already had an Amiga 500 with 2 MB RAM and 20 MB harddisk (custom interface for an PC "OMTI" controller).
BTW, I never actually considered a CDTV but I wasn't into console until 1998 when I got a Playstation (which I bought because I got not enough 3D games for my Voodoo-card-equipped PC).

> 2. What CDTV or CD32 games would like to see reviewed (or video reviewed!!) here at AA?

Only the ones that aren't poor PC conversions.

> Or, better yet, why not review it yourself and post it for all of us to enjoy!!

NA

> 3. Was the CDTV and/or CD32 a brilliant concept or a really stupid mistake on Commodore's part?
> 4. Why didn't these units succeed better than they did?

I don't know. Maybe several reasons:
- Like somebody already said: It looks cheap.
- Of course all consoles were limited to "consume games" - but thanks to the Amigas the CDTV seemed "limited".
- The last good marketing from Commodore was the Amiga 500. IMHO it got downhill from then on.
- Too late into the market?

> 5. What are the advantages or disadvantages of buying one of these platforms vs. a standard 500 or 1200?

I would always take the more open platform if I have the choice.

> Thanks for your help. I can't wait to read YOUR response, so please don't sit on your thumbs here. Make my day by posting your opinion, even if you think you are not qualified to talk about this topic. Let's get the ball rolling!! Or should I say, let's get the Boing Ball Boinging!!! :)

Funny & mildly related: Yesterday I ran a demo on my Apple IIgs: "Boing! Demo" You can imagine what it does! ;-)

take care,
Calibrator

Harmik's picture

CD32

Bill Loguidice wrote:
The easiest way is to click on one of the hot linked keywords at the bottom of a blog post to get the posts related to it. We probably should have been a bit better about adding links to each new blog posts related to the month in the blog post above, appending the posting after ever new entry (sounds like a good idea for next month - we're still evolving the concept). In any case, by clicking on "CD32", it gives you this two page listing of posts: http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/taxonomy/term/1294

Thanks again and i do like the idea of themed months :)

Bill Loguidice's picture

CD32 - The Posts

Harmik wrote:
Hello you said in your blog " We'll be bringing you historical information, hands-on looks at emulation and gaming, videos, editorials, collector information" Where can i find all this stuff is it all on this page ?
Thank You
Harmik :)

The easiest way is to click on one of the hot linked keywords at the bottom of a blog post to get the posts related to it. We probably should have been a bit better about adding links to each new blog posts related to the month in the blog post above, appending the posting after ever new entry (sounds like a good idea for next month - we're still evolving the concept). In any case, by clicking on "CD32", it gives you this two page listing of posts: http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/taxonomy/term/1294



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Harmik's picture

Thanks

Thank you for the reply i do not have a Amiga mouse but i will get one now. :)

Harmik's picture

CD32

Hello you said in your blog " We'll be bringing you historical information, hands-on looks at emulation and gaming, videos, editorials, collector information" Where can i find all this stuff is it all on this page ?
Thank You
Harmik :)

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