Point of View HDMI Smart TV Android PC Gameplay & Emulation / Gaming on Android

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In this video I unbox (0:16) and check out (09:48) an Android based Dual Core PC on a stick and check out how well it does playing some games and emulators. I basically compare it to the Joy-IT Android PC, Archos Gamepad, Nexus 7. You can find a video on the Joy-IT Android PC over here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjLR1o835pw

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Point of View Android 4.1 Mini-PC for TV
TV-HDMI-200BT

Highlights & details:
RK3066 Cortex-A9 Dual Core (2x 1,6 GHz) Processor
4 GB Internal memory / 1024 MB working memory
Mali400 Quad-Core Graphics
WLAN 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth 3.0
Wireless mini qwerty keyboard

A computer system as small as a USB-memory stick. Change any monitor, TV or even a Projector with HDMI-inputs into an Android based entertainment centre. It is running Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean). Facebook, YouTube, Twitter all sorts of social media work great. It functions as a media centre (also plays Windows media shares) and it can also be a media server!

The Cortex A9 dual-core CPU @ 1.6Ghz, Quad-core Mali400 graphics card, HDMI 1.4 enable 1080p video playback right out of the box. As a media centre this stick is unbeaten. The Joy-IT PC is underpowered when it comes to HD but this system plays just about anything I threw at it. It comes with a mini-keyboard that works up to 10meters away from the unit. Op to 2Tb harddrives can be hooked up when a USB hub is used.

Keyboard: (lengthxWidthxHight) 15,2 x 5,3 x 1,3 cm
HDMI 1.4 - Full HD (1080p)
Max 32Gb with MicroSD
Video formats: MKV, TS, TP, M2TS, RM / RMVB , AVI, MPG, VOB, DAT, ASF, TRP, FLV (expandable through using VLC)
Photo formats: JPEG, PNG, BMP, GIF
Audio formats: MP3, OGG, WMA

Technical specifications:
Processor RK3066 Cortex-A9 Dual Core (2x 1,6 GHz)
Memory 1024 MB
Video Mali400 Quad-Core
Network Wireless LAN 802.11 b/g/n
OS(version) Android 4.1
Size. (l x w x h) 105 x 40 x 10 mm
1x USB 2.0, Mini-USB
Harddrive 4 GB
Bluetooth Yes

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ruthan
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Almost same hardware like

Almost same hardware like Archos Games and could be very same, if you use for archos OTG USB hub, in last 2 days in heavy tested Dosbox on Gamepad, i will report..

Think that is future of normal, non it user computer usage, very compact, very low power, very modadle, very cheap. I hope, that hardcore gaming will survice, but with new wave of strong HW, could come also progress in design and player experience.. Today console realy blocking of evolution..

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Mark Vergeer
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Indeed the hardware is pretty much identical

Indeed the hardware of this Android Stick is pretty much identical to the Archos Gamepad. It sports a 'medica centre smart TV-like' shell on top of the regular Android interface that works well for Smart-TV-like purposes but it will hinder Android gaming a little.

You're absolutely right that this is the future of computing and gaming for quite a lot of people. Hardcore gaming and hardcore computer use will remain though but more as some sort of specialty more niche like modality. Of course we could all be wrong yet things do seem to point in that direction.

Closed source consoles, not being backwards compatible, tying the games (even on physical media) to a specific console not allowing the user to transfer them or use them on a different console is not a good thing from a consumer standpoint. Investing money in that basically works in the here and now but is basically throwing away money. Gaming is pushed into the direction of just consuming the games in the here and now - like food. Well prices will have to drop dramatically for me to jump on that wagon as I won't be paying 60 dollars / euros for a completely disposable gaming experience.

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I wrote few long articles of

I wrote few long articles of this topic, unfortunatly nothing in english.

But only few points:
1) Closed consoles controled only by 1 company is evil, they pay for exculsivity, disabling functions as Linux, Skype etc.. because they are simple affraid of real competions.. Theyre tryting disable resold copies, what is agains overall capitalism workflow. Companies as Sony or Microsoft should make games not closed redundant hw, if they realy want to do HW, they should make now peripherals like Wiimote or better graphics card etc.

2) Prices (minimaly for digital version, because there copy simple cost almost nothing) should be derived by region, it should depends on real economic level, from example it could be roughly derived from hamburger index metric.. I that way hell as region locks, should turn into good think, if you are from poor country you will gain better price. Yeah android or iOS games are fine, but there as still people whose lives from 2 dolars per day.
Games are culture, i simply dont believe in more culture and knowledge only for countries, because as is one Sepulturas song, knowledge is the weapon.. Something weapon of educated lazy rich people to enslaved others, which havent such good "spawn point" on worlds map space level.

3) Now is time probably 3 years before realy big battle in IT.
- Now still wins WinIntel with 99$ for OS, which is disgusting in comparation with these 50EURo fully working computers. Yes they could give of licence for 30$, but only if you are big company and OEM licences, which couldnt be upgrades to full licence and OS couldnt be migrated on other HW (legaly, technicaly it is piece of cake).. Real price of retail lince which should be migrated is acctualy 200 -300 bucks, 2x Archos tablet price.
There are minimaly 3 main ways how resolve that:
a) Microsoft gets a sense under pressure, and set prices such low that majority of users will pay without thinking (15-30$ per licence). Even there still we necessity somewhat handle with ARM vs. x86 problem. Either arm will slowly die or will be possible emulation (virtualisation) of x86 on arm, we aready have this in very limited way of geek virtualisator QEMU , very slow, only some intructions runs, but it works, its possible. Virtualisatio of ARM on x86 is a bit better and few linux arm distrubion works on PC, slowly but works, i myself have few such virtual machines for experimenting.
b) Microsoft remains stubborn, and majority come to Linux or Android (which is Google linux), Android is already ported for present PC hardware for x86 instruction set, because Intel Atom cell phones using that, or developers too in virtual machines.
There is again crossroads, because without compatibility and games every new OS will fail:
b1) There will be appears virtualisation of Windows on x86 on ARM with nice seamless frontend will be becomes standart. There we will still needs Win licence, so i dont believe too much in that scenario. There step is realy seamless virtualisation like Win 7, Win Xp mode, where simple some windows runs in same OS of another kernel (binaries). I think that Google is capable do that this way.
b2) Emulation technologie like Wine (which is like Dosbox multiplatform - so after that x86 or ARM doesnt matter) will realy works without glitches for majority of users, seamlessly && ( some linux distribution become adult (Ubuntu or other debians are but this Xserver, command line configuration compatibility its still like hell..) || most likely android become major linux distribution also for x86 and other will trample down to clay - again Google is capable of that). In this case, there will be patent wars MS agains Wine, because too emulate Windows they of course using some MS know how, libraries etc.

Now very are waiting on big steps of big companies:
- Will be Wmware, Oracle, MS announce x86 virtualisation on ARM hardware? Other companies dont have virtualisation know how, technology to do that.
- Will be some big company (Valve) invest to Wine, or make something like that?
- Will be Google realy atack on MS position with Android for desktops?
- Will change MS his licence policy?
- or will be wait again on community of namless bedroom programs, to do that for big companies?
- or will be live in bipolar, 2 architecture world of ARM and x86 world, withe one leg there and second there?

Situation of consoles will be resolved after battle above.. and it will take longer time. They seems to be based as original Xbox on PC hardware, which is good argument to dont pretend uniqueness, they will under bigger pressure of android, where will emerge AAA games too in next years.

My Archos gamepad few days review:
http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/5194

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I agree

Closed consoles, tying content to a single machine not being able to transfer or load the game disc on another system is prime evil and has nothing to do with providing good customer support. It alienates me from a company.

Actually I just read that Microsoft won't be allowing Office 2013 to run on anything but one PC system. So if your PC gets damaged, broken or whatever, or let alone upgraded you need to buy yet another version of Office from Microsoft. Well that makes me want to run into the direction of Open Office even harder then before. In fact I actually am NOT running Microsoft Office on any of my Windows systems. I am running Microsoft Office 2008 on my MacBook though.

Gaming prices are ridiculous. If a game costs 60 Dollars/Euros whatever one would expect such an item to last or at least be usable on more than one system. But as it stands prices go up and discs will be tied to single machines. Well not in my universe I won't be going that route. It just goes against everything that I was thought about ownership and property. Big companies are really suffering a bad form of Hubris!

The future is going to be very interesting.

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Microsoft Office
Mark Vasier wrote:

Actually I just read that Microsoft won't be allowing Office 2013 to run on anything but one PC system. So if your PC gets damaged, broken or whatever, or let alone upgraded you need to buy yet another version of Office from Microsoft. Well that makes me want to run into the direction of Open Office even harder then before. In fact I actually am NOT running Microsoft Office on any of my Windows systems. I am running Microsoft Office 2008 on my MacBook though.

That's because they want everyone to have the $99 per year ($79 for the first year if you get one with a new computer or tablet), 5 license subscription, which automatically gets you the latest version. Frankly, I prefer that because of all the computers and devices in my house, plus you can effortlessly and seamlessly activate and deactivate any mix of five systems at any time. Also, once the iOS and Android versions hit (Microsoft will time that carefully), that will be included in the five license mix along with the present Windows and Macintosh versions (the only two versions presently in the 5 license deal).

If you don't have a need for Office, then certainly there are plenty of excellent free alternatives, but for some of us, it's unavoidable due to nothing being as compatible as the real thing. Honestly, I'd love for other high end software to go this annual pricing route (that's affordable), like the Adobe stuff. Right now, the Adobe subscription service is insanely priced. The rest of the software I'd be happy buying one-off rather than subscription.

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MS had same price policy logn time ago this maybe better subscription model. 99$ for 5 devices per year is reasonable price, if its is reality. Because usualy im changing Office edition once per 5 years, this means, 500$ for this period, which in si certaily better thant X times 230$ for one OEM (fixed on certain HW) version, becase i need 4 (1000 $ per this period, becuase 5y is too much for i real price is 1500$).
Are you sure that this is full comercial version on only some home, stundent, academic edition?

Im new i only important part of office Excel, which realy havent free good alternative, but MS has such stupid pricing that Excel only licence cost more than half of whole office price. As gamedesigner im using Excel as one of primary tool.

But i dont think so Office SW is too much important for such discussion, i think that new generation of users are ok with OpenOffice or LibreOffice, or maybe with Google docs or Zoho.

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Yes, the $99 is full Office

Yes, the $99 is full Office on any combo of PCs and Macs, with every update and new version included of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint, plus extras like cloud storage. You just have to maintain the subscription obviously, but as you state, it works out to a reasonable value.

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Mark Vergeer
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Reasonable...

I didn't know about the 5 PC / device model. That could actually work out well for me. Hmmm

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Bill Loguidice
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Could be a successful model if people get over the mental block
Mark Vasier wrote:

I didn't know about the 5 PC / device model. That could actually work out well for me. Hmmm

Yeah, that suddenly opens up some interesting possibilities, plus you can activate and deactivate at will, apparently. Whenever we're able to afford additional systems, I'm definitely going for it.

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